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Toyota is scared by EV? NOT A CHANCE!

August 24th, 2009

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Recently I read an article on Yahoo! Finance which talks about why Toyota is slow moving in developing EV and bring it to the market. Here are some highlights of the article:

“Why is Toyota waiting on electric cars?” asked Tadashi Tateuchi, a former race car designer turned electric-car evangelist.

Electric technology could help determine winners and losers in the auto industry of the future, but Toyota has been highly skeptical of electrical vehicles.

“The time is not here,” Masatami Takimoto, Toyota’s executive vice president, said during a factory tour this year.

Electric cars “face many challenges,” he said, adding that “to commercialize pure E.V.’s, we need a battery that far exceeds the current technology.”

If Toyota is right, its competitors will have spent billions on a technology that will be slow to take off.

Moreover, he said, battery production technology is no more complicated than that of semiconductors, which are already mass produced.

“Toyota could launch an electric car tomorrow if it wanted to,” Mr. Tateuchi, the former race car engineer, said. Regretting his gas-guzzling creations, he founded the Japan E.V. Club 15 years ago to urge automakers to produce zero-emission cars.

“Toyota tells people the age of electric cars is not yet here,” he said. “That’s not true.”

Some experts predict that the auto market will soon be divided among competing technologies. “Small electric cars will be used for short distances within cities, with hydrogen cells powering big buses,” the Development Bank of Japan forecast in 2008.

Others say that once automakers commit to mass production and drive costs down, electric cars could dominate the market. That could require Toyota to speed up its electric car plans, they say.

“You don’t see many competing technologies survive in a key market for very long,” said Mr. Shimizu, the Keio University professor.

And more often than not in the history of innovation, a change in the dominant technology means a change in the market leader.

“Electric cars are a disruptive technology, and Toyota knows that,” Mr. Shimizu said. “I wouldn’t say Toyota is killing the electric vehicle. Perhaps Toyota is scared.”

First of all I would like to remind professor Hiroshi Shimizu that no, battery is NOT like semiconductors because battery actually has to store energy, release energy, restore energy and repeat that process hundreds of thousand times if not more. Also, the kind of battery we are talking about here is a bit different than the batteries that he was used to so simply saying that the battery technology is sufficient enough for EV is not a responsible statement. So I would like to suggest that professor Shimizu should probably stay at what he does best and leave the technical aspects to the professionals.

Second, those who think Toyota is “scared” by EV are totally out of their minds. They need to understand that mechanically an EV is more simple than the regular ICE vehicles and as long as there is a break through in the battery technology any current 1st tier car manufactures can make EVs without any difficulties. Also, those who think EV’s time is here is also crazy, look at that Mini E POS that BMW brought us… It costs $50,000, has a range of 100 miles and needs AT LEAST 3 to 4 hours to charge. Yeah sure it’s a great city commuter but based on those numbers how can one say that the EV is ready for the general population?

I predict the EV wouldn’t be mainstream for at least another decade. What’s going to happen is that the hybrid will continue to get better and better mileage as the battery technology improves. At a point the electric engine will become the main source and ICE will become secondary, pretty much the opposite of today’s hybrids. When that happened then we can start talking about how relevant the EV is for mass production and become mainstream.

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Mini E – A $50,000 Useless POS Part II

August 18th, 2009

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After posting the Mini E – A $50,000 Useless POS article I’ve gotten into several more discussion about the Mini E last week. To summarize, the majority of the supporters like the idea about the Mini E due to two reasons:

  • It’s a great commuter car to commute within the city
  • Who needs the Mini E for road trips, there is always the second car or rental for that purpose

Here comes my counter points…

Yes, this is a perfect commuter car if you live in the city, work in the city, don’t go far out of the city, and don’t have a life out of city… As for who needs the Mini E for road trips, let’s see… The Mini E costs about $1,000/month to lease so I can tell you right now that based on my current salary if I get a Mini E it will be my only car. As for getting a rental car for road trips, does anyone volunteer to pay for my rental car next time when I am going to Napa Valley?

Yeah, that’s what I thought.

Don’t get me wrong here, I really don’t hate the Mini E or EV in general. As matter of fact, I am totally on board  if the Mini E costs 1/5 of its current cost which means either $10,000 or $200/month to lease. Because in that case a middle class family can easily afford other cars for longer trip purpose.

However this thing is at $50,000 or almost $1,000/month if you lease…

So now that leads us to the root and ask the most basic question:

What does BMW want to achieve for releasing these Mini Es at a price that will cost the customers almost $1,000/months?

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Mini E – A $50,000 Useless POS

August 10th, 2009


Before I get to my explanation on why the Mini E is an useless POS let me share with you some of the fact  first:

  • The Gross Capitalized Cost of the electric Mini is $50,713.64, in order to be Mini’s lab mice for a year the cost is $928.63 per month (tax included).
  • It takes more than 30 hours to get a full battery charge from a 110-volt outlet and still 2.5 hours of recharging with a high-voltage device.
  • The range is 100 miles, which means if you want to get out of Metro Los Angeles, you are in trouble…
  • This is strictly a two-person car, the back seat is occupied by the batteries.

Some people argue that the Mini E is perfect for a “city commuter” for those who live in the city and don’t get out much. Well, first of all let me say that I feel sorry for those folks, you guys are really missing out; second, there are too many better ways to spend $50k on a “commuter” than on this POS Mini E. Do you know what $50k means? It means I can get a Prius as my “commuter” and sill have enough cash left to get me a pretty fun weekend car like Genesis Coupe, Miata, used E46 M3 and guess what, a REGULAR AND MORE FUN TO DRIVE Mini Cooper S!!!

After failed to solidify that argument the same people will come teach you about how the stupid high cost is all legit because that is an early-adopter/prototype price, not an inherent flaw with an electric car. Well guess what, I say let the Hollywood tree-huggers to spend their “hard earned” money on that; after all, hey want to save the world right?

However, the funny part is electric vehicles are actually less complicated than the ICE vehicles, there is nothing special about it except the batteries. The reason that the current EVs are not feasible is due to the range and cost, and the reason for that is simply because the BATTERIES AREN’T READY!! Given that’s the case  there is no need to “prototype” the batteries on a car, they can run that all day long in a lab or any simulated environment.

The Mini E is just a big publicity stunt so Mini (or rather BMW) can say “Hey look at me, I got something green too”. It’s funny and also sad that some people actually bought into that hype and trying to lecture people this is the price to pay in order to have a feasible EV.

The bottom line is that if you can justify paying $50k for a 100-mile-range two-seater with no back seat to only “commute” within the city then I guess more power to you. Other than that this Mini E is simply a $50,000 useless POS.

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